Terminator Salvation Open Discussion Thread
Posted in T4: Terminator Salvation Movie News on 19-05-2009
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McG’s “Terminator Salvation” opens later this week on May 21, 2009. This is your open discussion thread for the movie. Did you see it? What did you think?
Looks great, I’ve read early reviews and nothing but good things…unfortunatly I can’t see it until Friday. One thing that troubles me is the usage of Plasma Guns…..and how T3 and TSCC fit in.
Me i liked the Terminator Salvation movie . Non stop Action !!! Yes the story is not very elaborated but the action scenes are perfect for me !! If you like special effects this movie is for you !!!
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Tscc has no relation to either t3 or salvation. Do they have plasma guns in t salvation? Didn’t seem like it
Terminator Salvation takes place in 2018, so the Plasma Guns aren’t there yet.
In the prequel novel “From the Ashes”, it is mentioned that the HKs may soon be getting Plasma guns, so it would probably still be a while before their are hand-held versions, and even longer still until the resistance gets their hands on them.
Can’t wait for this film. I like everything Ive heard about it, even McG’s ending. I like how McG is trying something different and fresh as opposed to T3 which was a waste of time re-treading over old ground.
…and TSCC is just sh!t.
I have a bad feeling about this. All the news about that p*ss poor ending they tried to do initially really lowered my expectations. Just as well, it’ll be harder for me to be disappointed. I’m expecting an inconsistent mess that’s 90% hawt (yet soulless) acshun and 10% pretense substance; basically something like The Dark Knight. The kiddies are gonna love it for sure, since they love any sh*t Hollywood throws at them these days, and McG’s gonna make a lot of sequels, and everyone involved is gonna become filthy rich. So it’s all good really…
Well the Harvester seems to have a huge one on his shoulder..
Well, I have a bad felling also, but I haven’t watched yet, so… let’s hope I’m wrong, but by the things I’ve watched, read, and hear, makes me vomit, really, I don’t want see a McG Terminator Decepticon HArvester, Hydro-bot, Optimus Prime, Moto-Terminator, Autobot, Michael Bay’s, MArcus Wrigth, No Plasma Guns, No Hunter Killers (Like the olders) No Terminators with Infra-Reds, and the T-600 geting caught by a rope (So stupid).
Again, I don’t want the McG version of The Terminator, I’m wanting Cameron’s Terminator, Less McG, more James CAmeron.
Is messing enough for you? For me it’s a big mess, all I’ve heard looks like Garbage, Comon Digital Arnold?
Its gonna rock. I have tickets for tomarrow at 5:40pm mt time… can’t wait!
JediVisconti - “T-600 geting caught by a rope (So stupid).”
definitly. it makes no sense. c’mon, they’re machines! machines don’t get caught by ropes! jesus christ, McG, what have you done??? well, i’m only watching it at jun, 4th.
I’m sorry Cameron, I will try not to coment spoilers here, but about my bad feelings about the movie, that I can’t avoid, see you…
Yeah, I’ll have to withhold judgment until I see it; and I can’t see it until Sunday, unless we figure out a way to get to it tomorrow evening.
Well Paul, what about a travel machine, KkkKkkk, joking, hey I’m wating your review ok.
He wasn’t caught by a rope, he was caught by a heavy duty metal cable. If you weren’t so sheltered in your city life you’d know just how strong a metal cable is Jedivisconti. That scene I saw as well and it is more than possible for a cable like that to lift a terminator, they use those cables to lift huge metal i-beams way heavier than a terminator would ever get to build buildings and bridges. The scene you are talking about is completely valid, I wouldve put that in myself if I had been directing because it showed how Kyle Reese, even though he was hiding with another survivor, actually took the time to make traps to protect himself with the remains of the city around him.
Jesus Christ Dude, I really love you justin, you have been out for too long, nice that you come back, man that doesn’t make any diference, it’s a stupid primitive Trap, and keeps the Terminator up-side down the same way of a rope trap, ok, you want tell me that the material used on that stupidity is what makes the diference, well I want avoid spoiler here, but tells me that Terminator wich grabs John’s Back is the Same Terminator that follow Sarah in T1, if it was, why didn’t break John’s neck? I will tell you, because is McG”s Terminator Bublebbee Harvester- Moto-Terminator Hydro-Bulshieting you-Bot… Just, have you watched the film yet? Come back here later and tells me how much wrong I am, I’m waiting.
The movies ended with T2 and that is where it should have stayed (TSCC not included). They are jokes in comparison. Anything after T2 is just a new franchise with a new spin on robots that no one can replicate. And with the bad reviews, I’ll wait for this on video….!
Man, saw a sneak preview on Monday. Great action but story was not what I expected. It really didn’t capture my interest. I was really disappointed with the fact that Skynet was just a junkyard with one talk building. If CGI was over used it certainly wasn’t done showcasing Skynet which technically in Terminator lore is a giant metal pyramid. That would have been. A lot of inconsistencies in the film like how a scrawny Kyle Reese manages to take down Marcus who is supposedly a Terminatator from being fired at. If you see the film you’ll know what I mean.
The ending really, really sucked and left me feeling like the whole movie was a waste of time. Come to think of it, I really did wish they kept the original ending which would have thrown a major twist. Yes even though fans were appalled at the proposed ending, this new one is way worse. They didn’t do much to toss out the original ending but instead it seemed they lacked time to make a decent compelling ending. And the jury is still out on whether Bale is the right fit as Connor. Worthington is compelling as Marcus and the other cast members like Command and Bryce Howard and even Bloodgood had zero impact in the film.
Hey phill, I’m really sorry man, we all are suffering it, I wish it will be all different, really, let’s stabilish that whetenever comes now, we will accept only if James Cameron is on front of it, if it’s to destroy the franchising, let the man do it, let Cameron screw all, Warner have to stop it right now. So, it’s true that Skynet complex (the core) is not the Pyramid anymore, real bad, I’m sorry guys.
Hey Jedivisconti,
Thanks, dude. Yeah, Cameron should have directed it and they should have paid the writers from TSCC. I bet a million dollars that if the TSCC writers wrote Salvation, it would have been 100% better. Yeah, man, Skynet was just a junkyard with a space needle type of building. For all the money spent they definitely should have made a Luxor looking complex and for something like Skynet we saw like one T-800 patrolling the inside. LAME. I was so hyped over the movie and now I am just disappointed. I think it’s better than T3 but T3 was below ground zero and I don’t even know if this even sees daylight…..
2018, not 2028 guys. The complex, like so many other things, is not yet built. I am still going to try to enjoy the movie for what it is, an entertainment piece.
phil, i agree, great action, but there was something in my opinion that was simply missing. where was the “scary factor” which made #1 and #2 so great? they tried the “human emotion” twist at the end, yet i wasn’t choked up like at the end of T2. i felt empty afterwards. BLAH!!!!!!!!
i don’t know who all moaned and groaned about the original “leaked ending”, but it definitely would have been better!!!!!!!!!!!!
The film did not meet my expectations, I thought the focus was more on Marcus than on Connor or the entire Resistance. Also, how the hell did Bale get into that junkyard skynet without being detected? I know Marcus shut down the atomated guns but, come on its freaken skynet its suppose to be crawling with robots!!!. Even if they are the old models, skynet should have been infested with them, both in and out. Also, I didn’t like the fact that there was open space to walk around and never get caught, what happened to all the patrol robots we find in the video games and movies? It seems to me that this movie was rushed to be put together, and in the end, it came out like crap. Yes I understand that this is the begining of Skynet, but still, there should have been t-600’s and HK’s all over the place, where were they through out the entire film?
Christopher,
You hit the spots on your comments, man. Yeah, I noticed like one rent-a-terminator patrolling the skynet mall. What’s up with that? In the game there were like hundreds on the outer and inner perimeter. WTF? Maybe we didn’t recycle enough metal so Skynet didn’t have the resources to build a large number of robots? There’s a reason not to recycle right now.
The last act definitely was rushed through production. I think McG gave into the ideas and pressure of the suits at Warner Bros. unlike James Cameron who would tell the suits to F off and had the balls to see his vision and ideas go through. The ending was really gay and like Mike said left me also feeling BLAH.
It’s sad, real sad, Remember the Pyramid? well it was one of the first desigenes of CAmeron, the Pyramid is The Logo of the Cyberdine Systens Bulding, and you can see it, in T2 at the Bulding, at the first time Miles appears, in Xenogenesis, the pyramid was there also, remmeber that movie Cameron directed for Roger Corman? The GAme Complex were the same designer, a High Pyramid with inscriptions, the eye who watched all, just Like Sauron in the Lord of the Rings. See, how stupid is that, mcG change it all, and swears that he follow Cameron’s path, he is a lier, don’t you see, I swear you, I’m sure that the DVD menu of the Special Edition of T2 have the real one thing(and is much better than the entire McG film, just the Opening menu), the Pyramid is there, and must Important, has the T-1.000.000 to don’t let anyone comes close (Last line of defense as seen on T23D). I thought before the T-600 we had the giant Hunter Killers Tanks, and they already had Infro Red vision and the plasma guns, again references to Xenogenesis, they were call the cleaners, and not Harvester Bublebee Optimus prime moto-terminator-Hydro-bot Decepticon thing of McG. I’m getting out of ammmunition, it looks like for me that some folks here are not real fans of the franchising, and they like McG are pseudo-fans, never gone deep into the world CAmeron created, miss the thing completelly and are supporting McG criminal actions, Comon people. Paul man, I’m real sorry, but, you are taking any money from McG? Stop defending the Mooron Salvation is not an entertaiment piece of work, it’s a proffit machine to get money of cattle. I was thoughting about the Skynet’s core, as seen in the DVD menu and in the T23D, it’s not there also, I’m sure, so where is the point about Skynet in McG mind, a neural Computer virus just like in the MAtrix, it’s the Internet, as in T3 they try to do, it’s a ghost, lives on Virtual World. I can’t buy.
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if your reasoning of terminator series should of ended at T2 is because of that alternate ending, you should understant they chose not to use that ending in the theatrical release of t2 for a reason… they didnt want to close the door to any possible sequels… if they did use that ending then they couldnt make anymore unless they decide to do a complete franchise reboot…
the ending they did use could mean the end of the series yet it could mean it isn’t over…
people stop using alternate endings to determine if a movie should have a sequel or not,
No Ryan, I’m refering to the oldest Terminator Concept, before the James Cameron Fever with Gale Ann Hud on PAris, he had a nightmare when he got sick, a nightmare of a Golden skeleton after him, I think you don’t know this story either. Before that he made a film for Roger Corman, in it he show us a pyramid, that pyramid is his project of student before graduate, it was called Xenogenesis, and guess what, not the pyramid apperas in his student film, but also a bunch of Hunter Killers, called Cleaners, and they already have Palsma Guns, the Terminator concept comes after the concept of SkyNet (It’s Cameron, so think about it, Sky-Net, no need to be remembere that the Net we meet today borned in the Cold WAr, in 1984, everybody already knows what Net means, and we don’t need Matrix to understand taht). But again, this McG doesn’t no nothing about what I’m talking about, because he is a Mooron, a lazy Mooron, thatI’m sure don’t now what Xenogenesis is? Marcus Wright could be a concept base on Xenogenesis, because MArcus Wright is a Cyberpunk figure, Cyberpunk is a term used in the 80’s that mix Technology with the undergraound, that’s why Terminator is so cool, it’s a cyberpunk Adventure (Just like Blade Runner) and not to emnention the references the movie have for itself, as the Tech Noir Bar. So, again, I’m refering for the early concepts for the Terminator, that McG even considered about, he is a lazy looser,.
You know you are so mess around with this stupidity that McG released that you missed research in the old concepts, if you loose the same time you loose talkg about this McG crazyness, missing time making a profound research of all Terminator concept, you will discovery that McG is so wrong, that my wish is broke his neck. Go to the Twilight Zone series, CAmeron used to watch the conceptes of that series all the time when he was a driver of Trucks (you know that people) Than once he just watched Star Wars and decided to go for it, and concept Terminator as a student, since the beggining, What McG done for it, nothing, only is taking money, only in a very mercenary way is robbering the Job of others and receiving a Glory he doesn’t deserve, Death for Him, Terminate the guy. Termination to the guy, while you still have some respect for yourselves.
For me McG’s Terminators are Bambi Terminators, no gore, no plasma guns, man, Terminators Hang up side down by ropes, is so stupid, I can’t comment good things about, I’m sorry, I wish that I have.
Hey people go to the Terminatorfiles fan site and support a Terminator 3D movie some fans are making, give money to then instead of watch SAlvation, I’m sure they will gonna bring a much better chapter for the series than this McG guy. It’s already proved as fan movies like The hunt for Gollun are sometimes better than the “Professional” filmakers” of today. Man McG is so bad that he is something like the King of the Unprofessional, lazy mercenaries of all guys. About the Terminator Future Set in 3D some fans are making, I beg you, don’t use your money in Salvation, support independent filmakers, go for it, just like IMPS on Star Wars, that films deserve your support, Hollywwood is so mistaken about us, show then who you are people, don’t give up, Terminator SAlvation for me was the last Drop, They must be stooped, McG must be stopped, don’t come talk me for the contrary, McG doesn’t exist, he is a mooron. I will keep protesting.
i don’t see what the big deal is about kyles trap for the T-600, presonally i think its great, it shows that the 600 series weren’t as smart like 800 series, my only concern about this fillm is i think that 2018 is too early for them to be showing the T-800 considering they weren’t online until 2027/2029 (i’ve heard both these dates maybe T2 postponed the beginning of the T-800) really i was hoping that the film would begin in 2018 then jump to 2029 but of friend of mine got advanced screening and told me what happens, he though the ending was good but its neither of the endings posted here
101, I’m sorry, I insist, is stupidity, ignore all and go for: http://www.doghouseanimations.com/ , Have a look on it, and it will hurt on you, it’s an idependent 3D animation, it hurts, have a look, and avoid McG Terminator, support the independent filmakers. McG had his chance and, of course, screw all, you will see Salvation one day, untill that, ignore all the Hype, and let the things goes, I’m now concentrating myself in help Independent Filmakers, Enough Hollywood garbage like Mcg’s Terminator, the guy is a totally looser.
T-600 less smart, Jesus Christ, so now Terminators can be stupidy like McG, heard your ownn words man, sorry, but Wake up, McG Terminator is not the Original Terminator back in 1984. I’m sorry Kiddo. You people let McG destroy the franchise, it’s too late.
I have a question? how much ypou pay to watch Salvation? Well I’ve watched an idependent movie theese days (Great) named the Hunt for Gollun, give you a chance, go for it, it’s free, and you can even give the guys a support if you want, Go for it, makes Worth and ignore from now the McG thing, he will expect that you go for his 30 minutes version Director Special Edition of the Hydro-Bot- Harvester-Bublebee- Decepticon+optimus prime Thing, don’t buy it, make yourself a favor ignore it, from now, Listen I’m trying to help, if you deslike, come here, fell free to send me to hell, but untill you judge me so severe, you should ask yourself, Who is bulshieting you, me, or McG?
So…let me get this straight…
Many of you are BEGGING us not to see it, not to spend our money on McG’s imagining of Terminator because we should be concentrating on helping indie films (which isn’t a bad thing) but yet you sound as though you’ve seen Terminator: Salvation already. Isn’t that a little hypocritical? Just because there are so-called “purist” out there doesn’t mean that there aren’t people, such as myself, who genuinely enjoy the Terminator franchise for a good sci-fi piece of cinema. Get over yourselves. If JC REALLY didn’t want T3 or T4 made he could have done something about it. I can’t wait to see T:S, honestly. Not because I’m a mindless droll, but because I love the series, T:TSCC included! Killer freakin’ robots, man!
Oh, I wasn’t trying to sound rude about any of that, by the way…so if you’re offended then you need to seek counciling.
Just checked out Rotten Tomatoes for some reviews. The average rating for Terminator Salvation is 34%… now that is a disaster. For reference, the mediocre Terminator 3 got a 70% average rating.
You are talking “Us”, like we were from another planet? Or another Universe, I don’t know, it sounds rude for me, but’s ok, I Thought we are all fans here, and everybody was experessing his own oppinion, Let me tell you a story, when I’ve see the first time a picture of The 1984 Terminator I thought for myself, this movie sucks, and when I watched (At the cinema) I see how wrong I was, I admit, but in the CAse of McG, I’m more mature, I’m more experienced, and don’t need to watch it and knows that is a Bambi Terminator film.
One more note, did you see any credit for James CAmeron or GAle Hurd on SAlvation? Ask yourself, do you really believe that JAmes CAmeron will consider anything from the studios after the amount of money he spended with titanic and t2?
So when I talk to not watch Salvation I’m not been especific talking about Americans, but undertsand, the Whole Globe, it’s belongs to everybody, so in my opinion (Hear well) I will not give a damm cent for Mcg, he doesnt’ deserve it, he doesn’t work enough to receive, when I buy something, I demand the best, specailly when is something that I like much. If you people don’t understand that, this is my protest, i’m sorry either, now you have a bad movie in your story and supported it, it’s your problem. And again the link I pointed is not about a Indie film, it’s about a group of fans that loves the Terminator Francising, and guess what, they are Americans, go see it for yourself, Oh my, I’m lacking of amunnition, you all are expending a great amount of energy to prove me that I’m wrong, well I’m not, you have to admit that McG Terminator sucks, and it’s not The Trminator everybody wants, WAKE UP People, it’s about us, you know US.
CAmeron were never considered by T3 or T4, you know why, beacuse the studios don’t want pay what he wants, you Know who was in the front of Spider-Man project? JAmes CAmeron, But the studios prefered SAm RAimi, because SAm RAimi, give up of his salary to build his “version” of Spiderman, that is why the movie is Good, because SAm Raimi is a real fan of Spider-man. But Mcg, who that f… is this guy?
And always remebering you all here are free, thanks good we still are, to go see the Mcg”s version of the Terminator franchising, I hope you go, but if you dislike, really find that you are buying garbage instead of a great film (that should be), you have the duty to tell people how bad McG film is, AND STOP WITH THE HYPE AROUND THE WORLD, you have to warning the fans around the world that they will go throw their money out if watch this movie.
If the film were realeased here in Brazil first, and I come here to talk how the film is bad, maybe you didn’t believe me, but for what I have already seen, I’m sure the film is bad as hell, BAmbi Terminators, No, please, no BAmbi Terminators. Again, tell us, don’t be shy, tell us your impressions, be sincere, thanks. The fans around the world thanks.
according to alot of reviews although the reviews do agree its not as good as it could of been, it is still a enjoyable movie to watch..
and jedivis my reply is to the person who posted comment number #16 which said the terminator series should of ended with T2.
oh and to reply number 36,
you know generally people dont like listening to people’s opinion about movies if they have never seen it themselves.. do you think a movie critic makes a review for a movie he hasnt seen? no he actually goes to see the movie.. now granted salvation does have flaws but the reviews still say that it is still a enjoyable movie despite its flaws…
oh and the t-600 comment, excuse me but usually newer models = better abilities,, the terminator in t1 was a t-800 which skynet in this movie has not even made yet, but from what i seen in clips they started to.. so its quite possible the t-600 wasnt as smart as the t-800
hell the t600 may have been to slow to be able to avoid springing the trap..
jedi do something more useful than continuously spamming how awful this movie is gonna be… thats for us to decide
also quit forcing your opinions onto us like some christian missionary…
go improve your grammar or something
well actually idc do whatever you want
Jedi is someone who is emotionally charged by this fiasco that has occurred to his favorite franchise . Maybe terminator is his religion but it seems he knows alot about the franchise as well as about james cameron . I agree with him , i have not seen the movie , though i saw terminaor 3 and paid for my ticket and in doing so contributed my part to something that i regretted to aid . So why should we as loyal terminator fans put up with producers making so much money while giving us nothing in return . It is not an original story , and from what i hear it has no deep narrative whatsoever , so why should we just go quietly . I make a $1000 a week in my proffession by providing something constructive to the world , what the hell do these guys do for getting paid millions within a 6 month timespan on film creation …??? um we go home feeling that they cant even put together two hours of deep narrative and compelling action which is thrilling , which the previous two gave us . I would not be complaining if mcg and bale only made a few thousand a week out of this , but look at how much these guys get paid , and see how much you , we as terminator fans get out of it . ” its just entertainment ” no its a multi million dollar industry !!
I can see where your coming from guile , but it is exactly attitudes like yours that keep for this level of movie making as a viable cause of revenue for these untalented producers and actors , because people just put up with it and eventually get used to it . Lets face it how many movies these days are deep and compelling , in this world how we grasp the quality of one thing is by comparing it tosomething else , if that everything else is trash then it fits right in . I dont just preach i practice what i preach i do not go to the movie theatres anymore , the only movies i watch are low budget art house films that are in depth and provide me with a geniune level of satisfaction . That i am willing to pay for .
Also do not tease someone for their lack of grammer , if you’d actually notice how he is indeed writing and constructing his sentences it’s clear to see that his english is broken because it is his second language , not because he is somewhat illiterate .
CNN I-Report Movie Review Of Terminator Salvation Sneak Preview. 5/18/09 by Rajiim Gross
Terminator Fans…….Don’t get Excited just yet. This latest installment of The Terminator Stars Christian Bale as John Connor. Salvation is about John Connor leading the resistance against Skynet. You don’t See Christian Bale for almost the first 15 minutes or so. What you do see is a man Who doesn’t know he’s a Terminator trying to find out where he belongs in today’s world after being “asleep” since 2003…..Today being the year 2018. To me this film lacks the “Oh Hell Yeah” factor. The film has it’s moments. I found this film rather boring in many places. The dialogue was dry and in need of some help. The Script just didn’t flow like past Terminator Films or for that much the late Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. The film did have spectacular visual and special effects! It also paid tribute to past Terminator films with the use of Classic one liners ‘I’ll be back” and “Come with me if you want to live”. The Most notable tribute was John Connor Playing his boombox blasting Guns N Roses “You Could Be Mine” his favorite song from his youth (T-2). The film wouldn’t be a Legitimate Terminator Film Installment without the Appearance of the T-800….The Arnold Model! The T-800 Kicks John Connor’s butt on screen for a few minutes before getting “Terminated”. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger kept his promise and did not return to Hollywood to appear in this film. Director McG pulled a body-cast mold of the actor out of storage after 25 years and used it as the basis for a CGI likeness. An actor provided the motion capture movement and then Arnold’s face was laid over the movements to create the T-800. You do see the T-1’s which made their first appearance in T-3….however they are just slightly different to Stan Winston’s design from T-3. The New Terminator Machines Were Really Cool! The Terminator That The Cycles were part of was Great. The HK’s (Hunter Killer’s) were cool up close as well. You See The T-600’s which were rather primitive and the production of the T-800’s. We Finally see SKYNET. Terminator Salvation was viewed by many as the Film that ties all of the films together and gives some closure. Skynet dies, Connor Leads The Resistance to Victory, and Terminator comes to an end….NO FATE BUT WHAT WE MAKE is evident here. This film is leaves more loose ends. If they don’t make a Sequel to this I will be very upset. This appears to be just another Chapter in the series….The movie ends Prepping you for the next one. I really expected more “Oh Hell Yeah” moments from this film. I won’t go back to see this again. I will buy the DVD to add to my Terminator Collection. I Give this film a B-.
Review: ‘Terminator’ full of noise and action, signifying nothing
* Story Highlights
* “Terminator Salvation” doesn’t have much of a heart, reviewer says
* New film in series begins in destroyed L.A. circa 2018
* Reviewer says there’s lots of action, but it’s more or less paint-by-numbers
updated 12:45 p.m. EDT, Thu May 21, 2009
By Tom Charity
Special to CNN
(CNN) — Remember when the original Terminator — Herr Schwarzenegger in the role that made him a movie star — devastated an entire police station?
Christian Bale, left, and Anton Yelchin battle the machines in “Terminator Salvation.”
Christian Bale, left, and Anton Yelchin battle the machines in “Terminator Salvation.”
Subsequent films in the series have upped the ante in terms of action and spectacle, but they have never topped the shock and awe of that comparatively simple sequence, when we realized what a formidable adversary this thing really was.
Although “Terminator Salvation” recovers some of the ground ceded in the campy “Rise of the Machines,” this half-smart fourth installment has nothing to compete with that scene in “The Terminator,” not even when it features a 50-foot model. Like its shorter cyborg cousins, the bigger version lacks the aim and accuracy Arnie exhibited with such ruthless efficiency.
We are in an ashen post-apocalyptic California, 2018. Thanks to the nuclear devastation created by Skynet, Los Angeles lies in rubble and the machines control San Francisco — less a metropolis than a foundry.
Still, the human resistance is also well equipped with jet fighters, submarines and plain old-fashioned artillery. The key to stopping the T-800 in its tracks is a well-placed bullet in the cranium, not that this stops the Resistance from experimenting with more creative methods of pressing the stop button, including magnetic landmines, immolation and dropping various heavy objects from a great height.
Most of these are as effective as Wile E. Coyote’s strategies in a Road Runner cartoon.
John Connor (Christian Bale) is the Resistance guerrilla all-rounder, the kind of action hero who countermands his superior officers, commandeers helicopters, descends into mineshafts and dives into stormy seas to rendezvous with a submarines, all within the first 15 minutes. Buff and almost as gruff as the dark knight, he’s come a long way from his bratty Edward Furlong days.
In a disconcerting touch, the young man who will become his father, Kyle Reese (Michael Biehn in the first movie), is played by scrawny Russian-born teenager Anton Yelchin (Chekov in “Star Trek”), who looks a lot more like Furlong — and indeed “T3’s” Nick Stahl — than Bale does.
Casting conundrums aside, “Terminator Salvation” downplays the time-traveling trickiness and Armageddon angst that fired up the first films. Instead, director McG evidently sees this as his World War III combat movie. It’s not unlike a traditional WWII movie, with multiethnic civilians herded into transports and shipped to death camps under armed guard, albeit with a perverse high-tech sheen.
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Despite the title, this is actually a redemption story. Australian actor Sam Worthington has the meatiest role as a death row prisoner who comes back from the dead years later, dazed and confused, and falls in with the remnants of the Angeleno resistance.
His conflicted impulses and allegiances supply the movie with its scarce, sputtering emotional beats, a burden Worthington shoulders with manly dignity. But he can’t do much to camouflage the glaring gaps in story logic. (Case in point: Several times, the machines identify Kyle and could easily kill him … but don’t.)
There’s not much left of the feminist perspective Linda Hamilton embodied with such fierce conviction in the first two films, and for all its desperate bluster about “humanity,” it’s impossible to believe there’s anything at stake this time around. James Cameron (age 54) came from a generation haunted by nuclear apocalypse. McG — who is 40 — seems positively sanguine about the prospect of a neverending war, an interminable battle without winners and losers but with action highlights evenly spaced every 10 minutes. iReport.com: What did you think of the new “Terminator”?
To his credit, McG shoots a more coherent skirmish than Michael Bay (and prefers a longer take), but the gap between the Terminator movies and “Transformers” is diminishing along with any vestige of adult entertainment. In the virtual era, nobody we care about stays dead for long; there is always a second life just around the corner. They’ve even stopped numbering the sequels now.
yeah I know, I’m disappointed too… but what else am I supposed to do? Take this guys word for it, and just say that the movie is bad? You can’t really judge something before even seeing it (even though it doesn’t really seem like this movie’s gonna be all that great)
I didn’t mean to express myself that way -he was just being really persistent… and didn’t seem to understand that other people want to see it for themselves. I let it get to my head.
I know where you’re coming from, but there’s nothing I can really do about it. Everything’s not going to be completely great. We can’t expect every movie to be of high quality…
blahh I’m sorry I shouldn’t be the one to be talking…
It is okay guile , there are ways of finding out if a movie is good before actually seeing it , I sacrificed my curiosity in order to find out if this film was worth watching . I read basically the whole script apart from the ending ( because it was not revealed ), and i judged it from there . Also i look at what the producers say and how they speak , look at mcg and the way he speaks in his ever present pompous attitude as if he is dropping his pants and saying ” look guys , don’t you see how big my balls are ?? ” i loath producers like him . Unfortunately it is all too common nowadays , it’s all about how you promote your movie , not how you produce it .
jedivsconti you SERIOUSLY need to relax,man. You have serious anger issues. Get help.
And repeat: It´s only a movie,it´s only a movie,it´s only a movie……
JV, you NEED to chill. We know you have a problem with the movie, but calling those of us on this forum stupid, or anything else for that matter, is not going to help whatever case you might be trying to make. In fact, you’ve made your case, you’re adamant and passionate about it, so why not let others put on their own critiques, please?
I still haven’t seen the movie and, since I just found out my youngest son has strep, I might not see it this weekend at all, but from what I’ve heard it’s not that great a movie. Now, is that because the script, cinematography, layout, and/or actors are screwed up? Is it because the directing is bad and the picture was written by the same whacko’s who wrote T3?
Or, is it because there are too many fanboi’s who want their version of perfection and can’t stand that someone else had vision, and money, and built a film their own way?
When I purchased my first copy of the first Terminator, I was heavily into role-playing games, and I put in 162 man-hours, perhaps more, watching just the future scenes forwards and backwards, completely destroying the tape, and discerned every single nuance of the future presented by James Cameron. If anyone has a right to be a fanboi, it would be me; however, when I go to see this movie, I’m going to watch it for entertainment value alone, and after I have the DVD in my collection, then I’ll start tearing it apart.
However, I would like to point out to everyone, especially JV, that this movie takes place 10 years before the culmination of the war in ‘28 or ‘29 -the year was NEVER really made clear in the movies-, and it takes place after sending 6+ individuals through time displacement equipment and all of the various misadventures which go with screwing around with one’s past. This affected not only the development of John Connor, but most assuredly of Skynet, as well. Yes, McG has a different vision, and I’m not defending his vision, but I’m also not saying his vision is wrong.
After all, in the trailers, don’t we hear Bale, as Connor, saying that “…this is not the future my mother told me about at all.”? Crap has changed, and we have to face it and deal with it, because it’s now CANON, whether we like it or not. Star Trek V: The Search for God does NOT exist in the lexicon of the standard Star Trek fan, but it is still a part of CANON, and it still exists on various forms of media. So, my words to you are that you need to suck it up and drive on, stop acting like hormone-enraged children, and let your companions on this board have their say as well.
‘Nuff from me, for now.
Let me just say that my first thought after the final credits had rolled, while I was still in my seat at the theatre last night around 2am, was, “Man, I really miss Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles!”
The problem with this film was that it was so shallow. John Connor here is a one-note character. Yes, I understand that he has been fighting the machines his whole life, but the jaded, almost impervious hero is not what I wanted to see. Connor is more akin to his cyborg counterparts; I mean, he is practically invinicble! Here he fights all models of terminators mano-a-mono, with nary a scratch; he’s repelling from helicoptors and down caves; he survives, not one, but TWO helicoptor crashes; and he goes toe-to-toe with the Arnold-model T-800! I mean c’mon!!!
The great thing about the previous films AND TSCC is that the characters are vulnerable. Even in the future, as hinted in TSCC, John is still vulnerable - vulnerable to his decisions to send people through time to save his loved ones. He’s vulnerable enough to go into hiding. This version of John Connor is out there for all to see, he is not in hiding, but places himself in harm’s way - I mean, he could practically be picked-off at any time. Granted we know that John will survive as the hero of the story, but still, I never once feared for his absolute safety and survival.
The film felt so hollow because it had no weight or breadth to it. I did not like how the film starts off with Connor as a mid-level military lieutenant. Instead of seeing John & Kate come out of the bunker, establishing the Resistance & dealing with the very human element after J-day, as we are lead to believe from the 3rd film, we simply see John as (very much) the soldier his mother trained him to be, but with very little depth.
Although the concept of the [future] war film seemed intriguing to me at first, I was much more expecting the classic vision of terminator armies battling the human armies, akin to a WWII movie, as seen in the snippets of the future scenes in the previous films. Here it felt very modern, like the California deserts in which they were performing their raids stood in for something like a military scenario straight out of Afghanistan (perhaps this is McG’s WWIII opus that has been suggested).
The parts of the film that did feel right were all of the connections made to what has come before in the earlier movies. Things like “Come with me if you want to live” and “I’ll be back,” John Connor blairing G&R’s “You Could be Mine” and the Ahnuld T-800. These were the connections to the past that made this a Terminator film for me, but everything else felt forced. Even the inclusion of Sarah’s [Linda Hamilton's re]recorded tapes she recorded for John when she was pregnant with him felt tacked on. But the element this film was missing the most was: CAMERON!!!
As the final credits rolled, I realized that this wasn’t what I really wanted. What I really wanted was another season of TSCC, a show in which I actually CARED about these characters!
BRING BACK TERMINATOR THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES!!!
Its funny , i basically say the same things as jedi does and my posts hardly are commented on , yet when jedi posts everyone flames him . Most probably is due to the fact it type in formal english where as his english is broken , i found that out when i learned other languages , you tend to use words that are very harsh while trying to convey something more friendly . Then again i make my points exactly clear and i do the research before i post , though its funny to see all these counter arguments pointed at the weaker of the two main critics of the film rather than at me . I dont mind and i am not trying to offend anyone , i am just clearly pointing out the facts . Also you spur jedi on by continually replying to his posts , and the rambling continues . Anyway even this post is becoming a ramble , in conclusion the movie sucks and most of us know it , you cant use that oh it was his vision bs with me . If anyone has something called a vision in regards to a globally renowned franchise , they would actually create an in depth narrative even if it was contrary to our opinions of what or where the narrative should go . Something without the myriads of loopholes it has , i found many loopholes when i basically read the movie , i’ll be keen to see how many i can find when i watch it on dvd rental . So it really bugs me when i see people saying that oh but mcg this and mcg that , excuses excuses . When i watch arthouse films that are so in depth and i find out the budget comparisons between the hollywood movies and the arthouse films , i become annoyed . Then again i know how the movie industry works these days and i have seen how it has evolved , this is why i have absolutely no sympathy for these producers . If you or anyone can prove to me or point out where and why you think i am wrong then i am willing to take it in .
Thanks Antonio, really, thanks, I know you have some sympathetic with me, maybe they will listen you, but I don’t want that responsability for you, you are so polite, and undertsand this media, you are a writer, you understand that they are leting be treated as Imperialists, and, for every argumment they use against me, it returns for thenselves. My Gramar is poor, of course, but I made myself understand. McG is natural, borned in USA and don’t understand even the media wich he works, and for me is prejudice for all, when he puts his dirty hands on a America Mona Lisa, and destroy it, in Paris, the Louvre, is a sacred place, Terminator for me is just like that, and I’m sure many think like I am, It’s sad…
Well, I think I’m not gonna post any comments anymore, I’ve already watched the film, for the few parts and few reviews I had, the film is just BAd and final, I’m from a time that when you watcged a film like The Terminator you coment about it for the whole week, all the reviews were positive… Films in the 70’s, 80’s they became reference, nowdays, it’s just over the thrill, it’s all about action figures merchandising, You know I’m not a slave, abolition happened a long time, I will from now use my time for something positive, producing, I’m hgonna work, Once I had a security place to saty, it was the Universe Cameron created, now I don’t have this security place anymore, it’s long gone, Now I will let the producers and Mcg enjoy their accomplishment, and I will keep my work, and who knows, I got few bucks, that I could buy a DVD, and instead I’m gonna just take a walk, while we still can, because I’m sure is a question of time, that USA will come here to get Amazonia, I’m not stupid you know.;
With this message being burried down here doubt anyone will read it;
Very disapointed, all the best scenes where in the trailer, which should have never revealed marcus being a cyborg IMHO.. I did like the little refrences thrown in for the fans (like marcus teaching resse to put a rope on his shotgun, or conner getting his infamous scar), but over all it was a big snooze fest. One thing i do want to add is that in a episode of TSCC, in a flashback scene, kyle resse talks about being saved from a slave camp by conner, and then jokes how it was actually him saving conner; is this just coincidince or a connect between the series and movies?
Anyway just wanted to throw in my 2 cents.
Wow, I’m glad I don’t have time to read any of these dissapointing posts. I saw the movie a few hours ago and it ROCKED! It’s got to be my favorite Terminator movie next to Judgement Day. I think McG did a great job, and I hope there is 2 more.
I don’t think I will visit this site anymore, there are too many negative minded people that are so caught up in the past and their tunnel vision that there is no way anyone could make another Terminator movie, even James Cameron himself, that could live up to the standards you have set in your minds.
Thats my two cents, bye.
Well, really? it’s good for you all that loved the movie, Hey I bet you will gonna like the others to come. But why leave, really? Why leave? you are so sure about yourself, that I’m conviced that I’m a great ass hole, indeed, in fact, i believe I’m the mooron, but before you go, answer me? Dou you really are getting out of here, because you are satisfied, since you already watched the movie, or you don’t want to admit that the film is a crap movie and don’t want to admit it before us, for us, Try it man… Give your own review instead of talking: it ROCKED! It’s got to be my favorite Terminator movie next to Judgement Day. I think McG did a great job, That’s could not be your review, only that, for Christ safe, talk the truth, show that you are a smarter ass, instead of saying things only to criticezes us, the real fans. Be good Kiddo, in fact you are already with your Teddy Bear going to sleep without nightmares, after watched The McG’s Bambi Terminator, cool for myou, sleep well with your clean concious.
Okay, Antonio, JV has been saying all manner of negative things throughout various threads on this board since the day he first posted, and that’s why he’s getting hammered. There’s NOTHING wrong with his opinion, and I’m absolutely certain he’s right for almost everyone here in much of what he says… however, it is the way he says it. Not because his English is broken, no… I respect the fact he keeps posting with all the hell he’s catching… however, it’s what he says with that broken English that is boorish and bothersome, and now it’s extremely old.
When he has something to add that will either effectively enhance what he’s said previously, or something new entirely, especially once he’s able to see the movie and make opinion on what he’s seen, then I will welcome his statement. However, since he continuously hammers on the very same points time after time, and has now begun putting others on this forum down for expressing their opinions, he’s gonna get hammered right back. Don’t defend that, unless you want to join him in getting hammered… ummmm, hammmerrreeedddd… anyone got some Whiskey?!
I got Paul… In fact, Jay told something really good and refreshing to the post, the issue: i do want to add is that in a episode of TSCC, in a flashback scene, kyle resse talks about being saved from a slave camp by conner, and then jokes how it was actually him saving conner; is this just coincidince or a connect between the series and movies? This one I really like, well let’s see… dpending of Justin, ok, there will be more. Paul, I admire you, you are correct with me also, and you are right, I’m beeing annoying, apologise again, I’m always overeacting, sorry ok.
I just saw the movie a few hours ago. I actually liked it quite a bit. Was it the best movie of all time? No. Did it live up to the hype? No. However, rarely does any movie. I thought it was a very interesting interpretation of the Terminator universe, and made for a entertaining and exciting story… which I think is the point of a movie. It’s well worth going to watch if you even the least bit of a terminator fan.
Well , i still never get any feed back on my posts . It’s okay , either I’m %100 correct or I put it in a way that’s too complex to be attacked . Maybe I should over react and blatantly offend some people here just to invigorate some retaliation towards myself & my negative posts .
The thing I agree with you must above all Antonio is the atittude of Mcg: his ever present pompous attitude as if he is dropping his pants and saying ” look guys , don’t you see how big my balls are ?? ” Yes he is felling like he created the Terminator (or really recreated all), that thing made me fell more disrespect when I post about his Movie, and about him either, He really thinks he is a great moviemaker, or he already knows he is a Mooron, and jokes with us all, in his mind is just like: I’m a bad director, and I’m geting a big deal now with this thing Terminator. One of two, the fact is, his atittude irritate me, so arrogant, and lying all the Time, he even sayid the absurd that James CAmeron gvae him a Bless, please Good, the film, maybe is Good, but Mcg, he already won the award of Jerk Lier.
I saw the movie yesterday, and I liked it. While there could have been more character development, it did contain a decent story. The action was certainly good.
The thing that we have to remember, is that this movie is supposed to be part of a new trilogy. We will probably find out more about the characters in the upcoming movies. I highly doubt that BS by McG about the fifth movie is true. I have a feeling they are going to continue in the future war. Perhaps the next movie will take place in 2024, with the last taking place in 2029 (Jedivisconti… By that time, you will see your precious plasma guns).
When you watch this movie, think of it as the first part of three. You aren’t going to get the whole story from this movie.
Anyone else play the game? Its waaaay too short I beat it in 3.5 hours!
Ok jimm, I’m going follow your opinnion, and I’m going to watch it as a trilogy, and accept the fact that I’m missing part II and III of the Whole concept, well, so you think there is Hope for the pyramid and the Plasma Guns appears in the course (MAn, it’s smells like Jar Jar Binks all over again). I have a confession ti do, when I watched interviews with Ahmed Best, believe-me, I liked the guy, unfurtunnely his character made me cry and feel pitty of myself.
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Ok, I came back because I didn’t give a good enough review on the movie: I agree with Jim on alot of what he said, here is what I say about it…
It is a great movie to watch in those awesoem digital projection theaters. There wasn’t much to the story and by the end of the movie there wasn’t anything else to say because everything was wrapped up nicely… but unfortunately, there wasn’t much to wrap up. It had a cool theme of second chances and how humans have an advantage over machines in that they have the ability to care and sacrifice themselves, but there wasn’t any mind twisting plot line or anthing to really make you feel like there was something more you could get from watching it again.
The character developement was somewhat weak, but like Jim said, if start of the trilogy, then we should have time to get to know the characters better… the one we got to know best was Marcus, and I liked his character over all of them — so I hope they bring him back: they could take a recently deceased resistance member’s heart and give it to him! Kyle Reeses character was strong, but I wanted more of him. Christain Bale as John Connor was really cool and I liked how he would just barely slip out of situations alive, but again, wish there had been a bit more character building. Him listening to his mother’s old tapes, having that good ol photo that he eventually gives to Kyle, was a nice touch. I wanted to know more of him and his wife and how thier relationship was (partly because I’m married and it would beinteresting to see how a marraige relationship would work in a post apocolyptic world like that intertwined with the screwed up past of John Connor… oh, and not to mention Kate is a doctor, my dad is a doctor, they have a tendancy to handle emotions badly).
Anyway, the story: easy to follow… wasn’t impressed with Skynet’s character, felt it wasn’t quite calculative and cold enough. Wasn’t enough about getting the job done and killing Connor/Kyle… I would have liked to see alot more terminators show up to try and pick up slack to kill them all. Also, any model terminator below the T-800 seemed to be kinda “slow” in the head… although it might have to do with what was talked about in T2, where Arnold’s character the T-800 says that they are learning computers, but Skynet puts a restiction on thier chips that they cannot learn or act past thier primary mission or purpose. Also the secret weapon obtained by the resistance in the beginning I thought wasn’t played on enough, felt like it failed badly and you didn’t get much of a surprise when Control got it up the a**. Thought they could’ve come up with a better way of incorporating that or playin it out so that you were more convinced it wasn’t a trap or hoax that Skynet came up with. I suppose there is alot to consider when looking at the ups and down of this movie, but I have to give McG credit for trying hard to connect to T2, because there WERE alot of connections there.. .the only connections from the T3 were a robot in the harvest facility and the nuclear power cells for the T-800’s that connor finds.
Anyway… the filming of the movie and special effects were so well done I was very happy with that part of it… I definately felt like I was in the future where robots ruled when watching the movie. I liked all the different terminators that they came up with and the action sequences were so awesome I want to see the movie for those again alone. But as I said, the whole filming of the movie was great… I want to see it again for that as well. Honestly McG did a better job than I even thought it would be, especially the filming. Unfortunately, if I was Johnathan Nolan, I wouldn’t want my name on that story because I expected more from him helping re-write it… I never expected much from McG for a story, so thats what I get.
Overall I’d give it a 6.5 / 7 out of 10.
- What I should say about the story is that, if left alone, it isn’t much (and you can take what I said about it), but as a part, it could have alot of potential… especially on the things I mentioned I wanted to see or wanted more of.. if those are played on as being intentional skynet moves for a larger purpose, that could make the next two movies very strong. If even they play on the signal weapon that skynet turned against them as to purposely take out Control but no one else to make Connor and his father the only remaining in Skynets sights……. like I said, alot of potential to pick up slack and explain WHY things were done, but left apart as a story in itself, you can go back to what I said abotu it.
Message take Justin, thanks.
I watched the film last night. I was not completely disappointed. I had read the prequel novel, so the events in the beginning of the film made more sense to me than my compaion If you have not seen the film yet, DON’T READ ANY FURTHER ON THIS COMMENT. The effects were great, but the story was lacking. It was panifully obvious that Marcus was a pawn of skynet…programmed to believe that he was human. Too bad that stupid Blair let him go…but hey, it was in the script.
The deviation from the “classic” terminator concept could be explained by the theory of quantum physics, i.e. everytime someone went back in time they affected the future. But it doesn’t excuse how much was left unsaid. Hopefully this is the beginning of a trilogy and they will explore more of the events mentioned or hinted at in the film.
McG…i met him while he was filming “We are Marshall”….. but I wasn’t pleased with his work on that film either. He didn’t seem like a bad guy, yes quite arrogant, but he attempted to be folksy. I don’t regret watching the film, but I do wish that some things had been done differently, i.e. more backstory about the years between judgement day and 2018.
Does Christian Bale have chronic laryngitis, or has someone told him that his “husky” voice makes things seem more dramatic? My eyes may have been playing tricks on me, but I could have sworn that there was a body lying in the skynet staging area that looked alot like Derek Reese… or maybe I was hoping for a nod to the show. But the way I feel is like this, if you are looking for character development and plot, watch TSCC…if you wanna see massive explosions and lots of fire power..watch Salvation. If you want both… well maybe the next 2 in this “trilogy” will satisfy those of us who feel a little shafted. *L*
Jedi - to follow up on your response to the cable catching the terminator — when you see the movie you notice a few shots had been taken out from the clips they released, which helps the situation. The trap was set so that if the terminator got close enough to the entrance to where they were hiding he would be vulnrable to get caught in it. In the movie it shows an extra minute of the terminator walking closer to Marcus and Kyle while they are taking cover behind a fork lift (I think thats what it is), while firing at them. The terminator walks right into the trap like anything else would, the only difference is that if anything NOT robot had been in the way of that cable it wouldve taken thier legs off. I don’t think there wouldve been any way for even a terminator to see that coming in a city of ruins — its easy to hid a trap in a mess like that.
Also following up on that: As far as trapping things go, I live out in the country. You might be one to think animals are stupid, but they are not. I’ve set traps for animals that have either still got the bait and got away, or even got trapped (with a snap trap) and managed to get free by getting the trap loose, and the trap dissapeared with the animal. After trial and error anyone can come up with a trap to get even the smartest animal, and the same things go for humans or even terminators. The big disadvantage a terminator has is that it calculates… a place where a trap is set that is unseen, a termintor will step right into it because it will calculate that it is 100% safe to pass, it can’t smell a trap like an animal might be able to with its ingrained senses. Or it can’t just use its intuition or get a bad vibe like a human could, just look at a place and think, this doesnt feel right. A terminator is only as smart as what it has learned and greatly lacks important things that come with being something that has had a lifetime to learn. How do you justify a single terminator model being smart enough to see a hidden trap without random intuition or inherited senses? It can’t.
Humans are smarter than machines, isn’t that the whole point of the Terminator story? We beat them in the end, that makes us superior.
JV, you’re alright, man. And you were right about the cable, except I think things like using a steel cable, or any sort of snare, to take a machine out, is actually a very good idea. Think about it for a second… the natural environment of any type of animal forces them to adapt defense mechanisms. Well, Humans are the ultimate animal in that we’re able to devise so many more defenses than common animals, especially due to the way our bodies are constructed. So, using a snare to capture and take out a machine, thereby dumbfounding it, even if only for a few seconds, is a natural defense mechanism for us, and actually makes sense, from my point of view.
I still haven’t seen the movie; I got such a bad caffeine headache when I woke up this morning it made me physically ill, so I still can’t post my review of it. It breaks my heart, too, because I had such a beautiful 4-day weekend planned out for the family and I, and when my youngest came down with a diagnosis of Strep, my whole house of cards came completely down. What a bummer. I’m getting better, now, only halfway through the day, so I may still try to see it sometime today or early tomorrow.
Antonio, I don’t understand why you WANT to receive negative reactions to your posts, but I wish you the best of luck with that, buddy.
JV and Antonio, you guys were talking about McG being arrogant and lying all the time, and in truth he actually reminds me of a friend of mine, and how I perceived him in the earlier days of our friendship. Truthfully, I thought he was a liar, a cheat, and someone who cared very little for people; arrogant came to mind, also. However, over the years, I’ve just come to find out he’s one of those people who are rambunctious and mean to hurt absolutely no one, and do not realize what they’re doing with their arrogance, their attitude, their nose-in-the-air overconfidence, even when someone points it out to them. I’m not defending McG, but he presents as that type of attitude to me, so I don’t mind him so much.
I like Jim’s attitude about this being the first part of three. I think, however, the second movie is going to be something of a connecting/explaining movie, much like Matrix: Reloaded, with the Architect explaining everything. However, I hope McG does it where there’s something of a technology race and a quick history of the progression of the war. Now, since things were screwed up so badly by all of the incursions into the past with Kyle Reese and five Terminators from the first three movies, I hope McG uses this opportunity to set everything right by sending back a final person to make everything right in such a way it will make the victory against Skynet in 2029 a sure thing.
Justin_SM brings up some really good points about character development, including Skynet not being cold and calculating enough… If McG reads this stuff, then please take my advice, man… go back to the ideals used in the first and second movie, and pray a great deal of attention and heed the detail especially of the future scenes, please? Terminator 3 was a poorly done, poorly written, not-too-poorly directed movie, and you need to drop that one in favor of the future scenes from the first two. My favorite scene of the whole series thus far has been Kyle Reese and the young lady soldier next to him hopping from one debris pile to the next, trying to sneak out a kill on that HK in the first 20 minutes of the movie, and that’s the sort of action we need to see to make the future scenes for Terminator 5 and 6 real, not bare escapes… it must be absolutely visceral.
Hmmm, Justin_SM backed me up about traps before I even started writing here… good deal, hehe. Wait, is that going to cause a paradox?!?!
Anastasia brings up some good points, but mostly the idea that the next to films, if Terminator does well at the box office this go-round, need to have more depth and reward those of us who care about the franchise a great deal with more. As for nods to any of the previous films or the doomed T: SCC, I would like to see these next two films tie a lot together from all of that canon material.
I guess I better let this one go before too many more folks post.
I liked it! Just saw it a few hours ago. There were scenes in the movie that goes to show how advanced movie making has become. The scene where Connor is the helicopter going down (in the beggining) and Arnie’s cameo appearance via CGI. When I first heard they were making another one and no Arnold in it, I had no interest in seeing it as Terminator IS Arnold. But when I saw Christian Bale was playing JC, and saw the trailer, I changed my mind. There will never be a terminator movie that is better than T1 of which I have seen over 100 times, BUT if they do make another ’salvation’ movie that takes us up to Kyle Reese and The CSM101 going back, I’ll go see it.
Oh man, yeah, I can’t forget that helicopter scene at the beginning, that was awesome! One thing that bugs me so much in older movies how military helicopters crash like that and just blow up, thats not right… given most situations, those frames are built tough enough that the crash won’t kill you, just bang you up and roll a few times… a good pilot will manage a decent crash landing and nobody has to die or even get hurt fataly. The movie is even accurate… with all of John Connor’s history and his mother working around the clock to make sure he knows everything he needs to survive after the nuclear war, Connor would be an excellent pilot, not to mention an excellent soldier.
About all those clips they released before the movie: alot of them had vital scenes either not included or it wasn’t long enough to see how it really went, in the movie all those scenes are better. Like the one that I disliked the most before I saw the movie was the scene with the resistance chick beating up those guys that surround her…. what you don’t see is that right after she punches two of the guys they kick her to the ground and are about to either beat her to death or rap her (who knows, maybe we will find out in the extended dvd cut) then Marcus jumps in (He must have wondered off or heard them coming and hid, it doesnt show) and saves her from all the dudes… beats the crap out of them.
It gives alot of hints to Marcus being a machine if you hadn’t known better before you watched the movie… he beats up all those guys and it hardly phases him; he isnt hungry when the two he was traveling with start stuffing food down; he gets thrown around and knocked by the machines pretty bad and he takes it fine… he even gets thrown off a hunter-killer at massive speed and skids along the water — whereas an human wouldn’t hardly survive any of those things.
Anyway… I’ve seen Wolverine, Star Trek and T4 so far this summer and they have all been right at the top for me, so I have a good feeling about Transformers and G. I. Joe, lol.
Just thought of something.. to mention again how accurate they were, that scene where he knocks over the harvester and they try to shoot the gas tank to blow it up… they make those things out of non-sparking metal for that very reason. Hollywood really really exaggerates the whole explotion thing especially when it comes to vehicles of any kind. In MOST wrecks there will be NO explotion whatsoever… maybe a small fire at best, but no explotions because designers and engineers do thier best to pick materials and design things so that that doesnt happen. Hell, I’ve been in a plane wreck before (small bi-plane) and the plane never even made a spark after it got totaled… I think there was a leak in the gas too… no explotion, no fire, nothing.
incridable. I say McG has done an awsome job with Terminator Salvation. i give it a 10 out of 5. one of the best movies of this decade.
I’m becaming absolute marvelous with your posts, it’ spreading my hype here, well about the Trap, I agree with you Justin and Paul, but in my movie experience, that thing looked to me too much cliche, you know western movies, they use it alot, but pass, specially that you are saying to me I’ve watched only a small part of the Whole situation, ok.
About the HArvester, really I want that works, so I’m gonna ask you to put grade in al movies. Here is my Grades:
Terminator: 100;
Terminator 2 Judgement Day: 9.5
Terminator 3 Rise of the MAchines: 6.0
Terminator SAlvation: Since I didn’t watched yet is hard to me put a grade, but, by the things I heard, and see, really, I’m very pessimist: well 3.5, can change of course.
Tell me your ok.
I have a story, i guess you don’t know (is about some deleted sceanes of T1, and it’s true). When Terminator were released in 1984, Orion, didin’t realized how many succes the film could be, and some footages of the film, that didn’t work well were cuted. Some of theese sceanes were about the arm surgery of Arnold, at the same time a crazy italian director named Sergio MArtino or MArtin Dolman, the guy bought from Orion some of these sceanes and puted it on his own film, the movie calls “Hand of Steel, or in Brazil “Keruark o Exterminador de Aço” and it is hilarious, my grade for it is 100, because is cool as hell, really a lot of action sequences and they have even a chopter. (horrible in fact, but is cool) it’s a B movie.
But what really matters in HAnd of Steels are the sceanes with the robotic arm of Stan Wiston showed from another different angle, it’s the scenes cutted from terminator wich appears in the movie, have you heard of it, have you watched it already?
It was released in 1986. If you don’t know it, look for it, there is the Trailer on you tube, from here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAfwThhMoMo , this is the link for the Trailer, in it you can see some of the footage I’m talking about, it’s original.
I have the Film in a version I made in a VHS rip with subtitles in Japanese, but the audio in English, if you like it, or never watched this pearl, I can post the link to download via Torrent, Let me Know ok, If you don’t knew ANYTHING ABOUT IT, YOU ALL GONNA BE CRAZY WHEN SEE THE TRAILER FROM YOUTUBE, GO FOR IT.
Anasatasia and Paul, I know you are not defending McG, and about his arrogancy, I fell is a mix of what Anasatasia told and afew of what Paul think. MAybe MCg is so Invy, so innocent, thjat he didn’t realised untill when he started to film his responsability, with the time he grew up, by the pressure of the studio, and of course the fans, made him WAke up tp the reality, but it was too late (Here in Brazil we call it “Caindo na Real”).
But my principal consern is that he is a masquerede Joker, and he is loving all, if it’s true he is a true mercenary, and not a filmaker, and he doesn’t care for us fans, In the interviews I’ve watching he is been sistematic lyiang about all, I don’t fell secure in his words, it’s obvious all filmakers talk well about your own movies, but McG don’t pass me this secure, again, I think he is in joy with all, and don’t care, he just accpeted he is a bad filmaker plus a great luck in put his hand in a Gold mind, about his trilogy, You already told me he changed just a little the end, and turn it on a confusion, if we expect a T5, he already told to everybody that he will come in time, to the past, OHhh my, this is bad news, i don’t forgot that guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvrdmQh2isA Hey guys watch it, it’s hilarious, there is people with a lot of sense of humor in this world, thanks God.
Holy crap jedi, you are rating T3 higher than Terminator Salvation? You have lost your mind… T4 is WAAAAYYYYYY better than T3, by a long shot. MAN you are a downer… are you a stoner? I mean, honestly, do you smoke the dope? If so, that could be the issue here…….
No man, I’m not dope, I wish to relax and wait for the film release in my Country, Oh my, is killing me, by the way, justim look this promotion in Toronto Canada, that is a cool one, have a look… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fKKrwR44g4&feature=related
Ok, wow, that first video of sending the terminator back in time was hilarious. That second one was kinda cool promotion, I must say.
Anyway, Jedivisconti- GO WATCH THE MOVIE BEFORE YOU CONTINUE TO TEAR IT DOWN. Although… we all know you’ve made up your mind and even if you go to it and it is cool enough for you would never admit it. You’ve alrdy dug your own grave, there is no way you ARN’T gonna jump in.
Maybe this is what I shoudl say… since you’ve alrdy decided you hate the movie and it sucks, maybe you shouldnt watch it. But PLEASE, quit this negative non-sense. Alot of people here have ACTUALLY SEEN THE MOVIE and like it, including myself. If you arn’t trying to convince us our own opinion is wrong and we are stupid for liking it, what ARE you trying to prove? We all know you hate it, do really need to say anymore?
No man, you are complete right, I’m a fan, I can’t denied it, I’m Just like you, you know I’m JUST-IN to the Theaters. And of Course, please GOD, make FOX get real and bring back Sarah Connor back, for Christ Safe, I’ve just watched a few footage of the game play, I already started the download for PC, a fix one I guess, with crack and all, I’m geting crazy about, man, thanks to open my eyes, let’s enjoy the back of the Terminator saga into the cinemas, see you…
Oh, hey, anyone who likes futuristic sci-fi, or just futuristic fiction kind of movies check out this trailer!! : http://game-movie-trailer.blogspot.com/
I love futuristic stuff.. another reason that I liked Terminator:Salvation!
Saw it a few hours ago, and I loved it, although there was not enough emotional connectivity with Connor, it definitly shows with Marcus. Great job McG!
Linving in the uk I haven’t had the chance to see the movie yet but it’s interesting to read most of your opening thoughts on it.
I do understand the negativity to a point, I myself am NOT an McG fan, I don’t really like the majority of his work and I find him and his ego hard to deal with.
However I hope the film does amazingly well thats if nothing else it’ll bring us back TSSC 3rd season in some guise very soon.
Hey, I’m a new comer here, and just saw the movie last night, so wanted to share my two cents. I thought it was ok, but I didn’t love it. Better than T3, but definitely not up to T1 or T2.
The action was great. No lack of action, but it felt like there definitely needed to be more story. And I was disappointed that they didn’t do much with John, who’s supposed to be this compelling, influential, inspiring leader who rallies humanity in a brilliant resistance moment against Skynet. I simply didn’t see that here. Maybe inklings of it, but not nearly as much as there should have. And as for Bale, I liked him as Batman, but with me, the verdict is still out on how he does as Connor. Thomas Dekker still remains my favorite John Connor.
Marcus was the star of the show, and for his part, I liked Sam Worthington. And aside from him and John, everyone else was window dressing. I wanted to explore more with these characters, but we didn’t.
And yes, there are nitpicks, but not many major ones I’ll bring up (only saw the films and the show, never read any books). A major one was that Skynet’s grounds weren’t better defended. So John avoids a T-700 that doesn’t see the cable from him hacking. And then he runs into the “Arnold” T-800, and that’s all the resistance he encounters.
I am at the very least glad they fleshed out Skynets’ armies a bit more. It bothered me starting from T2 that Skynet only had T-800’s as foot soldiers. The T-800 was meant to be an infiltrator, designed to fit within the confines of a human form. Couldn’t they make another stock trooper that is meant specifically for that role, but doesn’t need to be as complex?
Another detail I liked was that while with the T-600’s and T-700’s, they seemed able to use bullets against them, the T-800’s seemed able to take a good deal more punishment, which hints to the use of that new alloy used in building them (can’t remember the name, but was mentioned on a S1 ep. of TSCC) . I suppose they didn’t intentionally follow suit with the show, but this at least shows the Resistances’ future need to upgrade to Plasma weapons when they become available.
All in all, I guess I did enjoy myself, but it could have been much better. My hope is that by establishing things here, if there is a sequel, that it will be better considering you’ve established characters and the situation in the future now.
BTW, am I the only person who thinks McG is a tool for having the screen flash white to show his name in the opening credits?
Yeah, I saw that screen flash thing…also did you notice the
Music from TSCC when Marcus was being executed in 2003?
Yeah, it wasn’t just the screen flashign thing, did you notice McG’s name came up twise in the opening credits? Said “A McG Production” or something like that, then said a few credits later “Directy by McG”…. I’m like, he’s not full of himself at all, is he?
Then again, the title came up twise too… you’d think that would be unnessisary.
Jedi has a pink square! HAHAHA nice!
Man, I’m tired of getting into this site and always, ALWAYS, have to read JediVisconti’s rants… Don’t you have anything better to do than bash this movie? OK, so it sucks for you, we get it, now shut the f+++ up!!! You made your point crystal clear, we don’t need you to post like 10 messages a day stating the same thing. It would help if you at least knew how to speak english you know…
Okay, WOW… a TON of stuff has been cut out of this thread, and that’s too bad, because there was a lot to be had throughout the entire thread. I’m sorry to see that.
Okay, first, I’ve just been to see the movie, and JV, I have to tell you that you’re wrong about every negative thing you’ve said so far, and so is everyone who agrees with him. The movie was insanely excellent, from general entertainment, action, cinematography, acting, story, and continuity aspects, period. This film represents the natural evolution from social, military, and political aspects that the existence of the War of the Machines would require, away from the world we presently understand.
***POSSIBLE SPOILERS***
John Connor was only a Lieutenant IN THE BEGINNING of the film, quickly promoted through events beyond his control, and it was necessary to do that, keep him low man on the totem pole to, eventually, show the requirement for the type of fighting set to be done from the first Terminator movie.
Considering that John’s base is NOT in Los Angeles, but away from where Skynet would likely look, and considering that Skynet has not, YET, marshaled the forces or power or resources necessary -which is also explained in the course of the movie- to really put the Resistance on their haunches, as yet, the fact the Human race has NOT been wiped out is not extraordinary.
Marcus’ involvement in the storyline is benign against the Resistance, and is proven through the course of the movie, and malignant against Skynet, despite the machine’s fondest wishes. Marcus IS the reason John lives, in the end, having realized the enormous import of the man and the danger he, himself poses at the same time. I thought that was particularly poignant.
For the individual who expressed there wasn’t enough emotion in the movie, I would gravely beg to differ, sir, and think you should take a second and/or third look. Emotions on the battlefield, or in a wartime environment, run far differently, from personal experience -though I was above the shooting-, than common daily emotions.
I think each actor and actress did a fantastic job with the movie, and I honestly hope to see them in these roles again.
This story had a natural beginning and a wonderful ending, and it stepped through each point and scene in the most seamless fashion possible throughout the film. I did not like much of the writing in T3, but Brancato and Ferris out-did themselves, this time, and I offer them kudos on their work.
JV, you really do need to relax, my friend. The movie is excellent in many ways, and I hope you get to see it very soon… I think you’ll be eating a LOT of your words, even if they no longer exist on this board. I am also eating some crow as a result of things I said earlier, so don’t be surprised.
From my perspective as an author, a U.S. Army veteran of Bosnia, a helicopter mechanic and former combat medic, and all other things I am in this life, I think this was an outstanding movie, and I hope to God McG got the money to finish 5 and 6, like the Wachowski Brothers did with the matrix, before releasing this movie. Unfortunately, there are not many Terminator fans left in the world, and it would be an utter shame to have this story go the way of Sarah Connor Chronicles.
McG, if you read this stuff, I’ll be happy to offer my services to get the more visceral side of this story told; just let me know, somehow. I still want to see the story unfold with combat akin to that in Terminator 1 on the big screen. I believe the sequences within all three of the first movies were different stages of the same battle, and I would love to see it culminate as the final fight.
Well done, man. Well done.
Hey, how do I navigate to the next page on this thing?
I dunno, I”m still trying to figure that out…
Nice review by the way! It really puts perspective on why the character development was the way it was. I alrdy liked the movie, I couldn’t think of any reason why things were the way they were in the movie so I just took it as a lack thereof, but looking at a battlefeild perspective (even though I’ve never been there), I can def see your reasoning.
I really hope they finish the trillogy.
I hope they finish it as well, as I believe it will explain a LOT more than could be fit within a two hour time limit.
hey, i watched TS recently and i have to say, it was better than T3 but, like in T3 i missed the same thing, it was quite short. That´s the good thing about T2, it was long enough to drag you into the storyline. I don´t know how about you guys, but i quite did like marcus´s character. but as i said it was too short to tell anything more about the characters. And what about Arnold, GnR and Linda Hamilton cameo? i have nothing else to say than sooo cool. And for the T1 and T2 admirers, i just must admit that there is never gonna be better terminator ever but i did enjoy terminator salvation
Hey guys, didn’t see the movie yet, but i’m definiteley gonna. Probable reason why there is no guards inside the Skynet complex is… well, Skynet is like that. If you read any of the books or comics, for example, Terminator: Nuclear Twilight, you’ll see that Skynet usually does not post too many units inside its structures. It’s explained in one of the novels too. Skynet does not care about the structures, they can be easily rebuilt. And Skynet does not have a “core” or something like that. Skynet in fact has a space satellite where its core programming is to avoid any kind of destruction (those who played T: Dawn of Fate should see it at the end). Only at the end of the war, when Skynet is really losing it, it becomes a priority to defend this buildings. Then again, Skynet doesn’t have that many troops to spare by the end of the war, with the coltan shortage and everything. The only ones that really matter to Skynet are the time displacement facilities, the rest is just expandable.
I see the movie ! And i like…but when it start ..then where the t-800 model 101 is genereiting is not look like arni in T1 100%, and in the end of the movie the musculare are not like arni ! But the rest of the film it’s very good ,my note is 10 ! And hope for T5 with Arni and Robert Patrick
JVF+++OF, yeah honestly why isn’t this guy IP banned by now? I don’t know why I check the comments section anymore, its just going to be full of incoherent rambles of a guy who desperately needs to learn English.
I agree with many from above where the hell was the terminators?
They (the terminators) knew the humans were coming and the only have the one Arnold.
What crap!!
And the woman ‘bloodmoonstoneshine” letting Marcus go what the hell was that?
She shouldn’t have let him go if he was human and the resistance decided to chain him up, let alone the fact that he’s a damn cyborg? One guard common? Guarding a terminator in a base camp? More crap!!!
Almost complete crap!!
I need a whiskey!!
For the record, I enjoyed T3 more than T4, and I want some Lena Headey with my Whiskey!!
For the record.
All of my previous posts in regards to this thread have all since been deleted , perhaps I know too much . I must conspire to remain anonymous from here on in
it was a fun movie but not great… missing a lot. I only got excited after Arnold appeared.
it would be great if the movie blended in with the tv show somehow,,,, we need m ore!!!
No, it looks like everything’s back, Antonio… we’re still counted above 100 posts, so the navigation must have been figured out. My posts from about 3 days ago still never showed up, but I figure that was a problem with going to this new format, and they really weren’t that important, anyway.
I have not seen it yet but am looking for spoilers. To be honest, I don’t have high expectations, and am saddened that the show is no longer running, as it was my favorite piece of Terminator lore.
This one goes for Kyle Maloney, hey, First of all, I don’t know you, second, I don’t wanna, third, your post didn’t bring anything of valor for us, so who should be banned is you, Klu-Klux-Khan Guy.
Just one more note, I still not believing in any potential about this movie, i’m still finding (As a great fan of the Terminator Franchisng) that this movie is a MCG’s crap over you all.
this jedi guy gets on my nerves… hes annoying as hell, just saying
i saw salvation with my friend yesterday and it was a kickass movie but it wasn’t a classic
i think virginia could be the cancer lady or maybe even be sarah connor somehow? idk
and i think marcus can come back somehow with an artifical heart or something
Use your angry and strike me down with all your Hate, I’m not the guilty you already didn’t notice that the McG’s Terminator is not a Good movie, what the hell I have to say for convince you, or you convince-me on the contrary, i’m still not believing that the movie rocks. McG is a Mooron, and you are not convinced yet. Unbelievable I must say.
we all have our own opinions all, right?
you should really stop trying to convince others that McG sucks or that TS is a bad movie -that’s their choices to make.
if you hate McG and this movie; i’m fine with that
but you’re really just being persistent
you already said what you wanted to say and there’s no use trying to force your opinions onto others so i think you should just leave this thread already?
And what you all are doing when you post ANGRY COMMENTS ABOUT ME? You are forcing me all oppinions over me, the only wich supports me is ANtonio, you never respected my posts, I don’t mind, really, the ones wich are loosing their respect is yourselfs, leting Hollywood still producing Trash and Garbage for Hypers as you. I’m not, I demand James CAmeron directing Terminaotr, not Mcg, George Lucas screw Star Wars, but at least he was the one wich screw, Cameron, Waner even considered he destroy his own monster.
jedi - alright then, do whatever you want
You know Guile, I’m out, I’m out of ammunition, really, go for it, i don’t care, go for your Terminator SAlvation thing, I don’t mind, i’m really more worried about the North Korean thing, and you with your attitude, is not, clear, go for your Optimus Prime Hydro-Bot-Harvester no blood, no gore, no plasma guns, no pyramid thing, go for it, keep don’t understanding nothing, you all deserve Salvation, it’s a cultural thing happening in USA because of it, Explosions and all, fire works, just like on July 4 Th, very cool. I’m sure McG is happy also, with his Moto-Terminator thing, hydro bot stuff, it’s great, America (Good Bless it) Only in America a guy like McG kills the eagle (Your symbol) and poses like a hero, and everybody loves, only in America.
I’m saying very Loud in a last attempt: I’m a Brazillian guy (pay attention) but even with a bad grammar comes here, and say to tou all, This film sucks, don’t let McG screw Terminator, you turn angry against me, and forget that I learned your language to have a better understand of the Art Cameron created, and still, you guys don’t understand. Again, I wish to have an artist here in my Country ( I don’t have, unfurtunnely), you have, and again, you helped McG screw it up, allowed it, turning all an Imperialist merchandising, mercenary way, It’s ok, you deseve, you alrady have it, and are loving, what more you need? comon people, it’s your interest that we in other countrys suport your art, comon, it’s so ignorance, it’s unbelieveble. Hear when I’m saying, a Terminator (A machine that comes to Kill) is hanged up side down by a stuppid trap is nonsense, when the original concept of Skynet is ignored, you should shame yourselfes of leting it happened. Agaim I’M A FAN, what do you expected, really? Ask yourself, What do you think Salvation will appear to the Korenas guys? Really, they you like it? When Terminator were released, again: USRRS feared the thing, it helps, it gave us Hope, Now, you are looking like a bunch of cattle, you are all going give up of the fight and joy with the machines, like in the Matrix, you lket Mercenarys like McG screw you, now you don’t know who is the enemy anymore, and now in a desperate way are trying to make business with the enemy. I doidn’t watched Salvation yet, but I’m sure that the resistence (just like in the MAtrix trilogy) made deals with the machines, kind, MArcus is MAchine wich has Heart, Comon, a Terminator with “HEART”? You deserve it, i’m not stupid you know.
Come on jedi, you are reaaaly annoying and embarrassing, really, do you think that someone care about these transformer terminators? or even hydro whatever? I think that i speak for all when i say the main reason to see this movie is T800. You still talk about the same thing and i swear that i can find more than one post with the same words from you, I´m just curious, do you copy your comments from other threads in here? )) because for me it all seems the same and that´s the reason why everyone is soo pissed.
testing …
My long post did not register the first few attempts ,
so I have persisted , because I put a lot of effort into this post , okay hopefully it works this time
Now , there is this fued between jedi and the rest of the crew here & I just want to try and bury the hatchet so to speak . I can see where Jedi comes from & I know exactly why you are frustrated , &I can see why everyone gets frustrated with you . In the end I will still agree with jedis core beliefs and understand why he is so annoyingly persistent . Why do I understand his frustration ??, because i agree with his points , that these
You know, I HAD him calmed down and agreeable until you dumbasses decided to continue to deride him for no reason whatsoever, so I’m going to unsubscribe from this thread and you bone heads can deal with it on your own.
terminator movies present and future will never live up to the original duo . It is a tough pill to swallow if you really do think about the realistic causes of your actions , trust me I felt it after T3 . If everyone or at least a giant majority of terminator fans did not watch this film aswell loyal fans of the franchise but at the same time are exactly & almost directly contributing to the bigger problem by watching these Terminator films . I must admit i went to see T3 , but to my defense i can say that T1 & T2 were absolutely fantastic films & on top of that
at least the main actor made it back . I was somewhat skeptical seeing as james cameron wasn’t behind the third film , but really how bad could it have been in as many other ordinary Americans , than hollywood would have no choice but be forced to put effort into an upcoming movie in order to secure a good turnout . This philosophy works across the board with all movies , sitcoms etc … look at TSCC , we all loved it ; but it is gone , not because of it’s quality , but because of it’s low numbers combined with a few other factors also . I really
hope you all as valid members of the Terminator community can take the time to read the message that I have written , some may say that I am taking this too seriously and its ” just entertainment ” , but to me it is ( the movie industry ) ” a multi - billion dollar industry that makes its money from creating shallow big budget action movies that become a viable source of revenue due to people just like yourselves that have that , “” ah it wasn’t what I expected but I will just put up with it because I wanted to see it , & that’s all that really matters “”
attitude . I am not trying to offend anyone , I am just stating what I believe to be the truth , because remember … without all us little guys paying for tickets with our hard earned cash at our local cinema downtown , there would be no movie business ; so we’d be naive to think that we are not part of the problem .
Again I hope everyone can take this from a neutral perspective & not be personally offended by it , we are all humans and we are all influenced by our surroundings , I am no different ; I am only aware of this weakness .
I had to fill my final final comments to this post into parts , my apologies ; though ever since this upgrade has taken effect it has been nothing short of frustration to post comments in these threads . I hope that all the various parts of my little story come well together as I was cutting and pasting them through a few windows to get them to go posted .
Well a few other points of mine did not make the cut . In short the basic them of the story was that we all ( or the majority of us ) care about our curiosity towards an upcoming film , & are more willing to satisfy our curiosity as opposed to caring about the future quality of the franchise , ( via staying away from a poorly made film , whilst knowing full well how poor it is before seeing the film ) . We really are just shooting ourselves in the foot as terminator fans , If the tickets don’t sell then perhaps hollywood would think twice about putting out shallow big budget films , but as long as we are paying for those tickets , then unfortunately movies such as T1 & T2 respectively will only be things of the past .
jv is just trolling and you guys are all his victims
You guys will probably love this: The original script summary
http://chud.com/articles/articles/19577/1/EXCLUSIVE-WHAT-WENT-WRONG-WITH-TERMINATOR-SALVATION/Page1.html?62
What? I’m making you all victims? For Christ sake, you all victimized yourself. I didn’t know that I was so bad. McG and WArner Brothers are the bad guys here, don’t blame for things I never done, Just accepted that you are eating Hollywood garbage, acceote it, in the 70’s and 80’s I come to the theaters all the time, since the digital art were developed, (in part T2 has his part of guilty) Hollywwod become Lazy, producing anything that don’t coast much, and keeping guys like CAmeron, Ridley Scott, Joe DAnte and others out of the “Market”, and I’m the one who wants victimized you…
Joe DAnte, Joe DAnte is the Guy, he just like James CAmeron has told for everybody to hear, if the studios (read WArner Brothers) don’t give me what I want, it will never have a Gremlin 3 movie, Why? Because he doesn’t want a movie about Papa smurfs, or Bambi Gremlins, he wants the original ones.
So Waner Brotheres are considering to bring direct for DVD a Gremlin 3 movie, you will gonna like it? Just like Darkman and Robocop, accept it, go for it, I totally support you on this issue, you have the right, but I’m out, I will not support the Studios (Warner Brothers) on it, I’m out.
And Antonio Thanks, really, don’t mind, they are already dead, They have so many proud of thenselves (including like fans) they are better than us, they are better fans than us, I have a McFarlene action figure, I have a Endoskeleton from MECA, I have a case with all magazines with Ternoinator fornt Cover since 1984, and yes, they are better as fans than us, things come so easy to then, that’s it, they are proud even that they are watching in front of everybody (It’s a one more prove that McG don’t care) If the film were Good as you are saying, why separate it on Different Regions, I will tell you, because McG already know that your Hype is Greater than ours, so he was counting with this issue, he already knew that you will gave to the rest of the World Good reviews, I’m a different sort of FAN, I’m a realistic fan, and my Bible is the original, not McG Buble bee Terminator.
You guys will probably love this: The original script summary
http://chud.com/articles/articles/19577/1/EXCLUSIVE-WHAT-WENT-WRONG-WITH-TERMINATOR-SALVATION/Page1.html?62
You know Kiaoko, Man don’t come here tell me how Innocent is McG about all his stuff, The Guy is a complete Mercenary Mooron, that don’t care about you, me or anyone, the guy is a looser.
For me, if he was a man (I’m sure his is not) he should told to the Studios, I don’t want this responsability, this material belongs to James CAmeron, but No, of coures No, he is not a man, he accpeted all, just Like he was the “SAlvation” for the whole franchising, for a few Bucks in his pocket. I Really hate the guy, he is not a MAn, he is a puppet of the “MAchines” The studios, and love it. Death to Him, I see him just like a Terminator, and the Studios it’s just like Skynett, I’m form the resistence, don’t join then, FIGHT< Send those Moorosn, back for where they belongs, The Limbo
Jedi, dude, you should really think about yourself, you act like a 10 years old boy who didn´t get his toy. Really, do you read after yourself??? I mean i know it´s your opinion, but how can you tell who is bigger fan and who is “like a fan” you said? This looks to me that you are completely out of your mind, dude, it´s just a movie and everyone has a right to see, judge and make an opinion.
Since the begining I gave the option for you Kiddos, and it looks like I’m right, as seen in box office, America in must part agree with me. So, I’m a big Fan, Are you?
And it’s not about the toys, those ones I already have, Again, it’s you who are refering me with bad words.
I’m talking about respect, and for me, since you are forgeting, or don’t know how important is the Terminator fanchising is for you people and the rest of the Globe, I’m really wasting my time here, because I have my own respect, and I’ getting out of here if insist that I’m disrespecting you, you already have done it for yourselves, you just accept GArbage. Read again, I told you a lot of times, Go for it… Go for it and have your own opinnion, I don’t care, but you can’t shut my mounth, because I’m a fan and I’m finding absurd all this noise about McG version of The Terminator, You know what I will try stop give money for WArner Producers, you know, every time I argue with you, I gave then money, so Go find your Gang, and let me alone…
Ok. So live in your world of nostalgia, i really don´t care. Many of us, if not everyone admitted that there isn´t going to be better terminator then T1 and T2, but no, you have to talk about b***s**t.
That’s the point Lukenzo, why you are not complaining about it, Send e-mails to Waner, talk to then, Ask Fox to bring back The SArah Connor Chronicles, make yourself heard. If warner brings more Terminator Movies, make yourself heard, Don’t let then throw over you McG’s version of Terminator. James CAmeron Should directing T4. it’s just it, that’s my opinion.
But over all, asks, demand for Quality, not accept thiins that displease you, I’m very angry, HArvesters and Moto-Terminators have Plasma Guns, how about the Hunter Killers? Where is the Plasma Guns, and a Terminator film, without Terminators, I can’t accept it, everybody is saying that they don’t have TErminators enough on th film, How it happenned? It’s the Future of the TErminators or not?
Well, everything has to start somehow. As long as i know, there were HK´s, Terminators as well, there were just 2 scenes, one with harvester and one with moto bots. and that´s it.
It’s funny to see how most of the others did not like the movie also & complained about it when they actually contributed to it , it is a paradox . Jedi you just have to accept that other terminator fans will just go & see any kind terminator spin off that there is & will ever be , just for the pure fact that they will enjoy to a certain extent anything to do with terminator because it is their favorite franchise or close to it . We will just have to accept these facts , and watch the terminator franchise become what it has , a milk cow for revenue based on previous achievements set by james cameron .
Very sad Antonio, real sad, they should ask themselves if McG will help the familly of the Americans GIs who dies at the “war on the Iraq” McG told to everyone to hear he wants a War movie, well if it’s a war movie, the Producers should turn the money earned to the American GIs family, see, James CAmeron at the night (his night must say) in the Oscars, call the attention for the victimis of the Titanic Tragedy, and ask for 1 minute of silence for it. Then, not satisfied, he turn some of his earns to the Titanic Victimis Foundation, well this show how people are diferent, right? Mercenary, McG and the WArner Brothers are Mercenarys, I can’t shut my mounth when I see so many similarities McG=The T-800, Warner Producers=Skynet.
The irresponsible of Mr. McG is one of the greatest thing I ever meet in my life, and some people calls JAmes Cameron Arrogant, Unbelieveble. I’m really fearing the future now, with all that stuff coming, North Korea making Nuclear Tests. I’m sure one of the considerations McG took on this film is show “The Horrors of Nuclear Holocaust”, in a way never seen before, yes I’m been ironic.
An artist have a microphone, he can be heard in the Whole Globe, so he has a duty, a duty to mankind, Considering a media like The Terminator, so powerfull, think about man.
And He failed, and he failed miserable, this guy should be Banned, he is not an artist, he doesn’t deserve carry that Torch anymore, so McG, go find other job, back to create your Video Clips for artist that have no Talent, like you, and let the art of filmaking be done by Masters as James CAmeron, Ridley Scott and so many others, John Millus, so talented people, or in other cases, Independent filmakers, waiting for a great Oportuniyty like yours, and you screw.
Unforgiven, I have so much to complain, I know it’s annoying, but I want to be heard, this Hollywoods Jerks, have to stop it right now, You can screww all your stupid Lifes, but don’t screw the art, Terminator is Art, and you Warner producers, you don’t have any idea of what it means. Mercenarys.
Think about DAnny Boyle, not because Who wants to be a millionaire, but because of 28 weeks later, DAnny Boyle with all the money McG spent on SAlvation, He could done a Hell Terminator Movie, or George Miller man, Think About George Miller’s Terminator (THat guy is the one to make a Homenage Mix of Mad MAx with Terminator) These Director´s I’m sure, those guys for certainlly could get a Bless of Cameron, but McG, Jesus Christ, disapointing, enough, I’m go to my studies, Good night.
McG, Paul w. Anderson, wich one is the worse, I mustknow what you guys think, serioius.
Well , you do realize that Terminator Salvation took a nice 200 million to produce , imagine if they actually spent that sort of money and put it somewhere more useful such as redeveloping Americas failed medical system or something of the like . Most of the budget money goes into special effects and all those ‘ real ‘ explosions that mcg wanted to use , ” in order to have real explosion physics ” , not into creative script writing . Yes mcg seems like that mercenary type to condemn all terrorists , and to be all for bombing other country’s . he is most definitely a right wing advocate .
Right Antonio, that’s why I love you, you understand, see, James CAmeron acomplish a better result creating everything in the Future with miniatures, with a miniature sceanario and Sets, accomplish it with sets done in the garage, it’s unbelieveble when I think about, he did it in Terminator and T2.
About explosions, the huge explosion in Terminaotr, is a miniature Truck, and the second one used a miniature truck either, amd looks like real, and excitment. McG is just unbelieveble man, James CAmeron with T2 also helped create the CGI effects, decreasing the special effects price, ILM at that period, begun to developing Jurassic Park and Star WArs, since Hollywwod and the producers get lazy, and we are suporting this kind of production. Again, I want hear from McG, since he consider his Terminator a WAr Movie, I want him helping the Officers family wich loose their lifes on the War on Terror, it’s his duty.
Think that the first Terminator was entire done in an inedpendent form, it makes get real angry with the situation, Because CAmeron never had so many support, He never had so many chances in filming in the Real sceanario, only in the second one he got the chance, it’s horrible if you want to know, it’s a shame. Marcus Wright Crying Terminator Bublee Be Optimus Prime HArvester, never again, please.
just a thought that i might throw out there and hopfully some one might agree
in the first terminator movie when the flash back goes to the future war with kyle reese is it star that gets killed when throwing the bomb ? .obviously we are probably never gonna know but it seems in line with her following him around everywhere maybe in later years they are fighting together . who knows eh????
hey, i just saw the movie today and i loved it! yes, it wasn’t T1 or T2 but we can’t have it all. and i don’t understand why John, the great militar leader, doesn’t have a big role, because he didn’t seem to be John Connor, the Leader of Human Resistence, but John Connor, just another soldier. yes, i’ve noticed that scene of McG name appeared twice as for the tittle.
hi im not a terminator groupy, but found the movie entertaining. I have a question…, forgive my ignorance. Can anyone xplain to me why J Connor and his wife and rest of team are shocked when they discover Marcus. “does this guy have a prosthetic leg” J Connor is genuinely shocked that there is a terminator who looks human. But in T2 and T3 he has grown up with a Terminator who looks human! Why would he forget, if its merely the fact that he has a human heart, i think thats a nuance gone to far…more likely just an error! Besides the wife who was in T3 should recognise a terminator leg, and not confuse it with a prosthetic…..major error?? im puzzled!
as i said on another post i just watched the movie, the music was non existent, bale was weak no heart no pun intended, they didnt know who the leading man was. the writing was poor you were never worried or scared for any of the actors, if they get another shot they really need new writers and to get rid of mcg. however it wasnt terrible by a long shot, i will give it a weak 5/10
I’ve seen Terminator Salvation this weekend in the Netherlands (it premiered later than in the US; june 4th).
A great action movie but no more than that.
Who authorized this script? Minor or no character development as compared to TSCC and James Cameron’s movies. The 1991 feeling I got in Ft. Lauderdale, FLA when I saw T2 did not come back
Action sequence after action sequence with no real meaning. When making a war movie better call Spielberg or Ridley Scott instead. Where is the emotion in this movie; the despair, the hope, love anyone? Just fragments. None of the humans (except Worthington) in the movie showed genuine emotion. No tears, no smiling, nothing.
Even in war there should be emotion either way.
It just didn’t feel like a real Terminator movie but two thumbs up for Sam Worthington playing Marcus Wright. I have high hopes for his role of Jake in James Cameron’s movie Avatar also starring Sigourney Weaver. Why not hand the script for T5 over to J.J.Abrahms? The word Renaissance is more than applicable to Star Trek nowadays!
just a few plotholes i noticed
firstly john wasnt the leader of the resistence i know people have said he becomes the leader later on but the previous movies all stated that he was the one that rallied everyone together and forged the resistence
secondly in a world that has been nuked to death how is there a vast forest for the helicopters to fly over at the beginnjng of the movie and how was kyle supposed to survive in a city that should of been flooded with radiation
next if this was supposed to of been based on the first three films and the tv series where was kyles older brother it was stated that they survived judgement day together and i doubt they would go there own xtseperate ways afterwards
next how des skynet know kyle is let alone what he looks like it has been stated that john never told anyone who his father is for the fear that skynet would find out
nextwhy is john listening to tapes of his mother for info was he not present in the events of terminator 2 and 3 why would his mother who hadample oppurtunity to tell him anything know more than he does
next why didnt skynet just kill reese when they captured him he was there no one target so he should of superceded john on being killed same goes for arnie terminator he should ofgone straight for reese.
There are more plot holes but i cant recall them all as there was so many so my conclusion is that this is a good action film but it is in no way a terminator film as it doesnt appear that the director has ever watched any of the terminator films and has made minimal attempt to keep to the established plot of the series
There are definitely a lot of problems with this movie as far as the plot and story line go. i don’t think any terminator movie to come will live up to the original vision the concept was born of. there’s only one thing that i’m super confused on. In Salvation after Marcus is cosmetically restored in the skynet facility he has a moment where he looks down at a body which is wearing the resistance arm band on a coat. the body is laid out on a medical table. i don’t think you get a good look at the face of the corpse, but it looks an awful lot like Marcus. i’m assuming it’s not and that this body is just some dead resistance soldier. i mean Marcus has functioning organs, specifically a heart and a brain. could this have been easily transplanted into another body?
Well, Overall I Thought It Was A Good Film. I, Felt Sorry For Poor Marcus Sad Ending, Loved Arnie’s Brief Appearance He Looked Well SCARY!! I, Know At The
Well, Overall I Thought It Was A Good Film. I, Felt Sorry For Poor Marcus Sad Ending, Loved Arnie’s Brief Appearance He Looked Well SCARY!! I, Know At The End Of The Rise Of The Machine’s When Arnie Was Holding Up The Blast Door So John & Kate Could In He Said To John We’ll Meet Again. But, I Don’t Think That Was What John Had In Mind?? & I Expected To Hear More Of Linda Hamliton’s Voice Over’s Than That Brief Message He Played
Now, When John Played The Recording Of Sarah & The 1st Thing That She Said Was I Told You Everything I Know About Skynet. I Thought It Could Of Gone Into Abit More Detail & When Did Sarah Record That?? Because I Heard It Was Suppose To Be Carrying on from what we saw att the end of the 1st film?? but, she said goodbye at the end of the tape so i’m confussed?? if anyone can explain??
I doubt it they should take us for enough with the director’s cut dvd!